Comments on: So long HDV, we hardly knew you. (HDV RIP in 2007) http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html Serving up fresh, crispy news and views for creators and consumers of digital video Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:10:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: esplak http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html#comment-472 esplak Sun, 04 Feb 2007 17:26:55 +0000 http://www.crispyfeeds.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip-in-2007.html#comment-472 In WW2 Hitler put enormous amount of effort and money to produce exotic weapons mainly the V2 rocket bomb, neglecting tanks and bullets. By the time his weapon was ready he had essentially lost the world. I believe that was the case of the P2 and probably the case of the upcoming AVCintra format. Excellent in paper, but without a credible workflow at the moment. Since technology advances so fast by the time these solutions will be fully functional there will be new kids on the block and probably they will be more short lived than HDV.(As things turn out DVCPRO HD will live less than HDV). Panasonic hasn't yet understand that their problem is not the compression scheme but the capacity of their recording format. Every person that has bought a HVX200 I know, they had purchased, at the same time a firestore. essentially bypassing the P2 format for which they had payed most of their money. In my opinion NLA (non linear acquisition) will be based on a disc format (hard disc, blue ray, holographic etc.) because this format will always carry a huge advantage over flash in terms of capacity and value. The people who cherish for the doubling of capacity of flash memory forget that the same applies to disc based formats, thus widening the gap considerably(i.e. flash goes from 8Gb to 16Gb and at the same time blue ray goes from 25Gb to 50Gb and hard disc now dances around 1Tb). esplak In WW2 Hitler put enormous amount of effort and money to produce exotic weapons mainly the V2 rocket bomb, neglecting tanks and bullets. By the time his weapon was ready he had essentially lost the world.

I believe that was the case of the P2 and probably the case of the upcoming AVCintra format. Excellent in paper, but without a credible workflow at the moment. Since technology advances so fast by the time these solutions will be fully functional there will be new kids on the block and probably they will be more short lived than HDV.(As things turn out DVCPRO HD will live less than HDV).

Panasonic hasn’t yet understand that their problem is not the compression scheme but the capacity of their recording format. Every person that has bought a HVX200 I know, they had purchased, at the same time a firestore. essentially bypassing the P2 format for which they had payed most of their money.

In my opinion NLA (non linear acquisition) will be based on a disc format (hard disc, blue ray, holographic etc.) because this format will always carry a huge advantage over flash in terms of capacity and value. The people who cherish for the doubling of capacity of flash memory forget that the same applies to disc based formats, thus widening the gap considerably(i.e. flash goes from 8Gb to 16Gb and at the same time blue ray goes from 25Gb to 50Gb and hard disc now dances around 1Tb).

esplak

]]> By: What format are users buying? Online poll results at FresHDV http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html#comment-435 What format are users buying? Online poll results at FresHDV Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:27:42 +0000 http://www.crispyfeeds.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip-in-2007.html#comment-435 [...] Camcorderinfo posed a question to readers recently, what format their next camcorder will be. The results are in; HDV is the leader (though not by much), with AVCHD 2nd (see the explanation for this one), and the venerable MiniDV taking up the rear of the three formats that actually count in this poll. To me, this informal poll points to AVCHD making inroads in the consumer market first, before potentially spreading into prosumer and pro models. Unless you are Tore Nordahl, in which case you believe that AVCHD already won the format war. Or something like that… [...] [...] Camcorderinfo posed a question to readers recently, what format their next camcorder will be. The results are in; HDV is the leader (though not by much), with AVCHD 2nd (see the explanation for this one), and the venerable MiniDV taking up the rear of the three formats that actually count in this poll. To me, this informal poll points to AVCHD making inroads in the consumer market first, before potentially spreading into prosumer and pro models. Unless you are Tore Nordahl, in which case you believe that AVCHD already won the format war. Or something like that… [...]

]]> By: freshdv http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html#comment-290 freshdv Thu, 21 Dec 2006 00:59:00 +0000 http://www.crispyfeeds.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip-in-2007.html#comment-290 Excellent points Luc. It's funny you should mention the "video guru vs. computer guru" issue...I was talking with an associate about that just this morning. I completely agree, an IT workflow really demands that people learn both worlds...and that's not always easy. Thanks for the comment. Excellent points Luc. It’s funny you should mention the “video guru vs. computer guru” issue…I was talking with an associate about that just this morning. I completely agree, an IT workflow really demands that people learn both worlds…and that’s not always easy.

Thanks for the comment.

]]> By: Luc http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html#comment-289 Luc Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:19:00 +0000 http://www.crispyfeeds.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip-in-2007.html#comment-289 Hello, Been a former Panasonic executive, this guy both knows what he is talking about .. and as perhaps a little bias toward Panasonic solutions. I think he makes two mistakes in this very clever and documented paper. The first one is a marketing mistake, the second one, that is related to the first, is a timeframe mistake. Marketing mistake because people doesn’t buy a format they buy a camcorder, a workflow, a set of software, a storage solution and so on. If people were to buy a format, sure nearly everyone would be shooting in DVC Pro HD or not. As interesting that AVCHD format can be, today and very likely for the months/few years to come, interesting camcorder are in HDV. A single point : Flash based solution as clearly the way the world will go somewhere; but today it means asking to video guys to become computers gurus, few are. The good old tape is “rather secure storage enabled�, flash is not right now (and not a lot of people are experts at managing hard disk arrays) Timeframe mistake because even if its clear that in a few years, very good AVCHD camcorder ,are released by Panasonic, very good version of existing NLE are released by software vendor, very good backup solutions are provided by computer companies.. right now it’s not the case. I can shout that gas is dead, in a perhaps not so distant future we’ll put something else in our car. Bu right now if I want to drive somewhere, I have to put gas in my car. So in real life, the point of AVCHD been superior or not to HDV, seems rather pointless. My two cents. Luc Hello,

Been a former Panasonic executive, this guy both knows what he is talking about .. and as perhaps a little bias toward Panasonic solutions.

I think he makes two mistakes in this very clever and documented paper. The first one is a marketing mistake, the second one, that is related to the first, is a timeframe mistake.

Marketing mistake because people doesn’t buy a format they buy a camcorder, a workflow, a set of software, a storage solution and so on.
If people were to buy a format, sure nearly everyone would be shooting in DVC Pro HD or not.

As interesting that AVCHD format can be, today and very likely for the months/few years to come, interesting camcorder are in HDV.
A single point : Flash based solution as clearly the way the world will go somewhere; but today it means asking to video guys to become computers gurus, few are. The good old tape is “rather secure storage enabled�, flash is not right now (and not a lot of people are experts at managing hard disk arrays)

Timeframe mistake because even if its clear that in a few years, very good AVCHD camcorder ,are released by Panasonic, very good version of existing NLE are released by software vendor, very good backup solutions are provided by computer companies.. right now it’s not the case.
I can shout that gas is dead, in a perhaps not so distant future we’ll put something else in our car. Bu right now if I want to drive somewhere, I have to put gas in my car.

So in real life, the point of AVCHD been superior or not to HDV, seems rather pointless.

My two cents.

Luc

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.freshdv.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip.html#comment-288 Anonymous Sun, 17 Dec 2006 10:26:00 +0000 http://www.crispyfeeds.com/2006/12/so-long-hdv-we-hardly-knew-you-hdv-rip-in-2007.html#comment-288 Panasonic Schill I think, talks a small amount of sense and whole lot of rubbish. Panasonic Schill I think, talks a small amount of sense and whole lot of rubbish.

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